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"I believe there are supporting pieces for both villains, however the answer is still unknown for sure."
In the case for the Mind Flayer, the Reddit user points out Dustin's theory in the show that the Upside Down has probably been in existence for "thousands, maybe millions of years." This means it would predate Vecna a.k.a Henry Creel/001. We see in episode seven that he only enters the Upside Down when he's defeated by Eleven in Hawkins lab, when he's around 30 years old. And the amount of injuries he sustains whilst hurtling through the underworld doesn't suggest it's a place he is familiar with or may have created. This all suggests he was launched into the Mind Flayer's world and, as Dustin theorises, became the Mind Flayer's "five star general." The fan theory admits there's not a huge amount of evidence in Vecna's case for being the one in charge, apart from one interesting point about the spiders. The young Henry Creel was fascinated by spiders, in particular the black widows in his childhood home. And Johnnysokoll points out that the Mind Flayer's appearance often looks a lot like a spider. The form the Mind Flayer took throughout season three was very spider-esque, and perhaps he was made in this image by Vecna, because of his fascination with the arachnids. [caption id="attachment_340474" align="alignnone" width="1418"]
There's certainly a hint of spider about the Mind Flayer's appearance... (Netflix)[/caption]
We wouldn't rule it out.
Another fan suggested in the comments that perhaps the Mind Flayer was around before Vecna, but wasn't fully conscious. They wondered whether Vecna "found a way to control it", explaining why the Mind Flayer looks like a spider.
Whatever the answers, it won't be too long before we get them. The final two episodes of Stranger Things 4 come out on July 1, including a bumper 2 hours and 19 minute long final episode.
https://twitter.com/strangerwriters/status/1532766052152528897
Until then, we'll just have to wait and keep listening to Kate Bush.
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